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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:14 pm 
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Thanks to Ravenbait and AndyGates for "what shiny new bike should I get" advice this week.. Today was the chance to go do some test rides and see what I thought.

So went up to Edinburgh Bicycle Coop with Puzzle today, mainly to get her a new shiny bike, but also to look at possibly one for myself in the sale. Time to move on from my trusty old hybrid..

Tried the Revolution Cross Sport, and indeed I rode it out on the test rides Puzzle did too, and I do really like it. Only its just a little too small for me, and the 58cm is the largest size they do. Feels a bit like I want to fall over the front wheel. Two guys in the shop both reckoned I'd need a 60cm frame really..
My second choice was the Specialised Tricross Sport, since it was on such a good deal, but they dont have any larger sizes left, and the one I tried felt even smaller than the Revolution.
Guess I really am too tall! At least from the waist up.

I hadnt considered the Specialised Tricross (base model), because its not listed in the sale listings on the EBC site, but it was there in the shop. So, they're bringing in a 61cm one for me to try next weekend. Puzzle thinks it might be a bit lame if we both have exactly the same bike though. ;)

They also reckoned that Cannondales are sized large, so they're bringing in the CAADX Tiagra 58cm for me to try.. Also in the sale with good discount.

Both bikes, of course, fulfil one of my main criteria for a sexy new bike - they're mostly black :)

Was also my first time riding with foot cages on the pedals.. My right foot turns out (although its improving over time), so I really noticed the enforced "foot facing forward" riding position. My knee got quite sore after a little while, but it passed. I think Im going to wait a while before thinking of going clipless - I suspect I need to really understand the implications of float on that leg in particular.

Anyway, next weekend, two more test rides, and maybe new shininess! I hope!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:02 pm 
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Clipless is better, you can set the cleats so the foot is at its natural angle when you're clipped in. Give us a shout when you're ready and can afford some ATACs. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:58 am 
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See, I know nothing about pedals (just looked on Wiggle, and ATACs don't look insanely expensive. Maybe i'm looking at the wrong thing)

I think I need to encourage my foot to gradually (over many months) return to a more natural position when cycling. Maybe clipless pedals would let me do that.. Hmm. So much to think about.

Bike first.. then I can work on pedals!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:59 pm 
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With the clipless you sit on the edge of a table, look at the angle of each foot (they're rarely the same) then set the cleat to point forwards when the foot is at that angle. Have the centre of the cleat under the ball of the foot. Simples. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:16 pm 
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Cages are awful if your foot likes to sit at a non-standard angle. Clipless with float is what you want, as Heretic says. I've used Time ATACs (double-sided mountain bike style) and Look KEO (single-sided road style) and prefer them by a mile over cages.

Most people would be horrified by where I have my cleats (as far back as possible, as far outboard as possible) but the fact I have the option is something you just don't get with cages.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:19 pm 
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So what would be the reasons for Time ATACS vs Look KEOs? Ive seen both recommended specifically for people with knee problems.

I'll mostly be riding 20+ mile trips, but may not want to carry shoes to change into if stopping at a pub required. :)


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:11 pm 
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ATACs are MTB style with cleats which recess into the shoe sole. Keos are racing type with those big lumps of plastic under the shoe which make you walk like a duck :lol:
They both have a lot of sideways float so you can move around a bit whilst riding, both have enough platform width to stop you getting hotspots under the soles of your feet after about 30 miles (that's a damn nuisance with some Shimano SPD types). Keos are usable with some carbon soled ultra stiff racing shoes which the roadies reckon gives a more efficient power transfer. Personally I don't think it's that noticeable unless you're competing and anyway I'd sooner be able to walk into the pub or the supermarket. MTB shoes are available as roadie look-alikes, "Normal" shoes (Exustar Stelvios) and trainer types, you can also get Goretex lined boots (Northwave are good) for the winter. Racing shoes are one type only as far as I know.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:44 pm 
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Well, I test-rode the Cannondale CAADX and it was indeed shiny and fun. Then I test rode the Specialised Tricross, and came back with a stupid grin. It just felt right. The Bike Coop guys said they'd had a lot of people doing that comparison this week, and it was pretty much 50/50 on which bike anyone would choose, but they'd almost always have a strong preference.

So, I have "shiny new bike" grin. Got to figure out shoes and pedals next..


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So you've got his n hers!

Yay!

Be aware that the float in ATACs has a spring on it, whereas Look red cleats don't, and the adjustability of the cleat plate relative to the shoe is better on Looks. For your particular case I'd live with walking like a duck and go with the Looks.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:54 pm 
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I go with the duck walk nowadays. Add overshoes in winter (or on the Dumb Run) to keep warm and cleat covers (rubber plates which go over the cleat) for walking. I do have my Five Fingers in my bag if I'm walking anywhere far once I get off the bike.


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Weird how such a similar spec can give such a polarized reaction, isn't it? :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:37 pm 
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Yeah, I really expected to like the Cannondale more. But although it was nice, it just didnt have the grin-making factor. I think Puzzle felt the same when she test-rided the Tricross.
Building up longer rides starts this weekend, so we'll see what its really like soon enough.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:26 pm 
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New Look pedals bought and fitted. New shoes that fit nicely. Cleats fitted to shoes. Oh, wait.. Cleats fitted to one shoe, because one of the mounting points for Look cleats on one shoe is twisted out of line. Dammit, new shoes back to shop tomorrow. Guess I wont be riding clipless tomorrow (as Im pretty sure they dont keep more than one pair of my size in stock) :(


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:49 am 
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AndyGates wrote:
Weird how such a similar spec can give such a polarized reaction, isn't it? :)


I thought I was giving a balanced reply with the ins and outs of both types of pedal, but at least it wasn't Shim/Campag or roadies talking about Brooks saddles! ](*,)

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